Wilman Conde's Rights? What about the Chicago Fire's?
Former Chicago Fire defender Wilman Conde wants back in Major League Soccer. This isn't news. It has been floating around for awhile now. What has changed is it now appears that a Major League Soccer team wants him back in the league as well. In fact, the New York Red Bulls have reportedly purchased his rights.
Conde, who wanted to be traded from the Chicago Fire to the Red Bulls in 2008, has had his Major League Soccer rights purchased by New York, a reliable MLS source said on Thursday.
It was not known what year the draft choice would be from.
This bizarre, cryptic and/or incomplete phrasing from Big Apple Soccer can only lead one to believe that New York gave Chicago a draft pick for Conde. Ives Galarcep says not so fast.
Reports suggesting RBNY got Wilman Conde's rights for a draft pick (as if NY has any left) are false. Will cost RBNY a six-figure allocation
The Chicago Fire could acquire over $100,000 dollars in allocation money for a player that's not even on their roster? I understand if you are new to the league and very confused. Heck, most people that follow the league are probably a little confused right now. Let's attempt to clear up some things up after the break.
Colombian defender Wilman Conde last put on a Chicago Fire uniform on October 23, 2010 in a match against Chivas USA. It also was the last professional soccer game for Chicago Fire original C.J. Brown and American soccer legend Brian McBride. The game appears to be the last time Designated players Freddie Ljungberg and Nery Castillo (who didn't enter the game) will be on an active roster during a game for a team in the United States. In retrospect, that might have been one of the most awkward pre-game locker rooms in the history of the league. Post-game, the team had just finished a 4-1 romp and they knew it was over for McBride and Brown. I imagine it was a great time mixed with some emotion for the veteran players.
The last important aspect for Wilman Conde and Major League Soccer was not that game but the 2010 MLS Expansion Draft that took place two months later on November 24, 2010. Chicago retained Conde's league rights for up to two years when they put him on their protected list. New York Red Bulls knew they would have to give some kind of compensation to Chicago when they first approached Conde this off-season. It might seem like a technicality but Chicago has been on the end of paying 'gatekeeper fees' before.
In the summer of 2008, the American soccer world was ablaze with rumors that Brian McBride wanted to return to the United States to play in MLS. The Arlington Heights, IL native made it no secret he wanted to play with his home town team the Chicago Fire. In normal sports transactions, this would be a done deal. In Major League Soccer, Brian McBride was a player that had accumulated too much time with the United States Men's National Soccer Team so he had to go through the 'Allocation Order' also known as the Allocation Ranking. Here is what it is as defined as only the MLS Roster Rules can:
The allocation ranking is the mechanism used to determine which MLS club has first priority to acquire a U.S. National Team player who signs with MLS after playing abroad, or a former MLS player who returns to the League after having gone to a club abroad for a transfer fee. The allocation rankings may also be used in the event two or more clubs file a request for the same player on the same day. The allocations will be ranked in reverse order of finish for the 2010 season, taking playoff performance into account.
Once the club uses its allocation ranking to acquire a player, it drops to the bottom of the list. A ranking can be traded, provided that part of the compensation received in return is another club's ranking. At all times, each club is assigned one ranking. The rankings reset at the end of each MLS League season.
In the summer of 2008, Toronto FC was the team that was at the top of the Allocation Order. They got to the top of the list by being at the bottom of the league the season before. Deserving or undeserving as it might have been, Toronto FC were the gatekeepers to Brian McBride coming back to the league. In order to acquire a player that only wanted to play for their team, Chicago paid the price of striker Chad Barrett and the club's first round selection in the 2009 MLS SuperDraft. Chad Barrett was a 23 year-old striker at the time who had been the 3rd overall selection in the 2005 MLS SuperDraft. TFC used the 2009 MLS SuperDraft first round pick from the Fire to draft Stefan Frei. Frei has gone on to start almost every game for Toronto since and Chad Barrett scored 16 goals in 65 games while being a primarily first choice striker for Toronto until 2011. All because Toronto FC did nothing strategic but fall to the bottom. You can argue the fairness of a system that has a Canadian club acquiring those players because an accomplished American wanted to come back into the league (and believe me, we have) but the bottom line is when MLS sets up barriers, you have to figure out how to work around them.
Now that Conde wants back in the league, the Fire are the gatekeeper to his rights and for a better reason than TFC owned McBride's. Conde made it known he wanted to sign outside of MLS in 2011. Chicago protected him in the Expansion Draft anyway. They were prepared to lose players like John Thorrington and Peter Lowry to the expansion Vancouver Whitecaps and Portland Timbers and that's just what happened respectively. Thorrington and Lowry gave little to their new teams. The protected Calen Carr was later traded for the player who lead the Chicago Fire in goals in 2011, Dominic Oduro. Fire Technical Director Frank Klopas and the rest of Chicago's front office made several great moves in the 2011 off-season. Protecting Conde was one of them and now it's New York's time to pay just like how Chicago paid for McBride's rights in 2008.
I don't want to hear New York fans complain how they shouldn't give anything to the Fire. Don't hate the player, hate the game Big Apple. Quite frankly, I'm not sure the reported six figures of allocation money is even enough. Why not milk New York for more? If they don't like it, there's an entire world of center backs out there to sign. There were a couple of high profile center backs available just yesterday. In fact, Chicago seems to have drafted one in Austin Berry. New York could have used one of their picks to select a high ranking defender in yesterday's 2012 MLS SuperDraft except, well, take it away Ives Galacrep once again:
Source tells me RBNY tried including draft pick in Conde trade, only 2 be reminded by MLS they had no draft picks left. No, I'm not kidding.
We will leave the Red Bulls' troubles for a full post later on. That might even be a two-parter... or four. For those who are saying a player like Juan Agudelo would have been too much, how about a deal where the Fire get to 'loan' his rights for a season and New York gets to sell him on the market next year? That would have been fascinating and quite creative. Agudelo would work wonders in Klopas' counterattack with speed and through ball passing tactics. Red Bulls fans aren't even arguing that the young forward has fallen out of NYRB head coach Hans Backe's favor, many of them are just talking about the cash they will rake in when Agudelo wants to move on in 2013. Here in Chicago, we aim to win trophies. MLS teams are always patchwork with players incoming and outgoing. What's the difference between Agudelo playing for us as long as you get your pay day... and the Fire gets theirs?
Conde may not have the legendary career of McBride but he is also younger than McBride was when the American forward came back into the league in 2008. The Colombian defender will come with a cheaper contract than 2008 McBride did and that's on top of the fact that the salary cap is higher in 2011 than it was in 2008. The biggest concern here is New York does finally enjoy success and Conde is their lynchpin on defense that we know he can be. He has a lot to prove and future contracts to win. I can see him playing brilliantly at every step of the way while the Fire were the ones that gave NYRB a strategic advantage.
Chicago plays New York three times this season and only three points separated the two teams in the final 2011 standings. Allocation money is great to have but the team had this golden starting center back. I hope they didn't give it up for just nothing.
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I don't know of any NY fan...
who thinks we should have gotten Conde for nothing, so I’m not sure where that comes from. If they are in fact paying Chicago a six figure allocation, is that not enough to get a more than adequate player in return for an asset that was never returning. I understand your desire to stick it to the Red Bulls, but you’d seem to be making out pretty well here. As for an Agudelo loan, that’s an interesting idea but remember that he will be missing a decent chunk of the season with the U23 team. In any case I’m glad that wasn’t part of the package. In the end it seems like you’ve done pretty well here. The alternative is to ask for way too much and get nothing for Conde.
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$$$ talks here
I just think 100k isn’t enough; if the rumored ‘six-figure allocation’ is just barely six figures, then I feel like we’re getting underpaid for a former MLS Best XI defender in the prime of his career. Now, it could be that the actual number is higher, in which case I’d feel alright about the deal.
$200k of allocation can make a big difference in MLS Moneyball if it’s handled correctly – and for the first time in a long time, I feel like the Fire FO is in the game.
by Sean Spence on Jan 14, 2012 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed – the world of allocation money is so guarded and mysterious, you have to approach any trade for allocation money with a bit of skepticism.
This could be a great trade though if the Fire use the allocation money on a big name, big impact player. Can’t see who they want to sign and the rumors aren’t out there suggesting anyone at the moment so it’s hard to get excited.
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by Tweed Thornton on Jan 14, 2012 2:31 PM CST up reply actions
Good points all around.
Some of the article comes from frustration over the Toronto FC/McBride trade. New York had nothing to do with that. I personally think in these situations a 2nd round draft pick is more than enough but the TFC trade ‘set the market price’ if you will.
Perhaps the league has used that trade as an example of an extreme of what is too much to ask for in a trade for a player’s rights. They might have reigned that in. In the long-term I would hope so but since it got stuck to Chicago, it’s time they try to stick it to others.
On the Agudelo ‘trade loan’, if he’s going to be off an on, that just makes him less valuable in a trade, no? Works for me. Not happening but fun to talk about.
“The alternative is to ask for way too much and get nothing for Conde.”
Actually New York not having a strong defender with MLS experience on their team would be a plus for the Chicago Fire’s playoff hopes, no? That is something to me. If the Fire don’t spend the allocation money they are bringing in, that is nothing.
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by Tweed Thornton on Jan 14, 2012 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Well it's not as if they'd sign no one...
they probably just would have looked elsewhere.
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by M.L. Conroy on Jan 14, 2012 11:37 PM CST up reply actions
Exactly and that would take up more time. To get someone of Conde’s caliber, they would have to go through more negotiations than usual. Conde knows the league. He knows what it’s like to sign with the league and play here. Anyone else and you would have to find a player willing to come to the league in January. That’s not easy.
It’s possible that Red Bulls would have to sign two center backs and hope that one of them works out for the best. Both of them could flake out.
If Conde is coming back to MLS, it’s possible he will never leave now. Just look at the influx of other Colombians to the league. Red Bulls could have one of their two center backs be Conde for years now. Red Bulls could find someone like that on the international market, they could even end up being better than Conde in the long run.
The price of not letting Red Bulls get Conde is fairly high IMO.
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by Tweed Thornton on Jan 15, 2012 11:23 AM CST up reply actions
MLS rights for departing players are assured if the former team extends a qualifying contract (that the player declines). I don’t think it was anything to do with the fact they protected his rights. Conversely, when a player is sold (such as Ramani Ralph, or Bakary Soumare) the acceptance of the allocation money from the transfer is in lieu of the future rights. The rights on free transfers out the league is just a way to give the team first right of refusal if he comes back as they weren’t compensated at the time.
This kind of shennanigan has gone on for ages in MLS, along with the allocation process in general, so i guess it all comes out in the wash. The Fire win here – Conde ‘could’ be an impact player for a NY side rebuilding after the Ream sale…or he could be a washed up (at 29) fragile player with questionable motivation on the field and off.
Getting something for nothing – even a $100k (which in MLS terms is a whole hell of a lot more than nothing) is generally good business. Conde wouldn’t have returned, so this is $100k to be reinvested in the roster.
Time will tell if the Fire win. NYRB could come out very well.
Extending a qualifying contract is part of the equation, I should have expanded on that. However, the Timbers drafted Robbie Findley and Jonathan Bornstein when everyone knew they were leaving for other leagues. It’s likely the Timbers would have drafted Conde in addition or instead of one of those two. Still smart business by Chicago to protect him.
It’s also not nothing. They protected him and in that, did not protect other players. It was a strategic move.
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by Tweed Thornton on Jan 15, 2012 11:42 AM CST up reply actions
PS – RE: Agudelo trade/loan – I’m not sure MLS even has a facility to do internal loans. I can’t recall any ever happening.
Don’t recall it happening either. Who is to say it is impossible?
This is a league with conditional draft picks, player lotteries, permanent and temporary international slots shifting and even trades are by and large a foreign concept to the rest of the soccer world. If anyone could make this happen, it would be MLS.
If you can make an international slot expire on a certain date and return to the original owner, what’s the difference between letting a player’s rights with one team expire on a certain date and return to the original owner?
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by Tweed Thornton on Jan 15, 2012 11:27 AM CST up reply actions

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