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Carryover Minutes in Major League Soccer is a concept I have been looking at for over 2 years now. The premise is pretty simple: the best teams in MLS have about 80% of their Regular Season minutes coming from players that were with the team the previous season. Let's use the 2013 numbers for one of the gold standards of MLS Carryover Minutes, Real Salt Lake, to provide an example. I'll provide the Chicago Fire numbers as well because this is a Chicago soccer blog.
Player | POS | GP | GS | MINS | Player | POS | GP | GS | MINS | |
Ned Grabavoy | M | 23 | 21 | 1953 | Joao Plata | F | 22 | 14 | 1254 | |
Nat Borchers | D | 20 | 20 | 1800 | Lovel Palmer | D | 13 | 11 | 940 | |
Nick Rimando | GK | 20 | 20 | 1800 | Olmes Garcia | F | 18 | 6 | 754 | |
Javier Morales | M | 21 | 19 | 1705 | Khari Stephenson | M | 16 | 7 | 656 | |
Kyle Beckerman | M | 19 | 19 | 1651 | Carlos Salcedo | D | 9 | 8 | 721 | |
Tony Beltran | D | 18 | 18 | 1609 | Devon Sandoval | F | 13 | 7 | 623 | |
Luis Gil | M | 21 | 17 | 1435 | Aaron Maund | D | 3 | 3 | 270 | |
Chris Wingert | D | 13 | 13 | 1105 | Josh Saunders | GK | 3 | 3 | 231 | |
Chris Schuler | D | 12 | 12 | 1080 | Jeff Attinella | GK | 3 | 2 | 219 | |
Alvaro Saborio | F | 12 | 11 | 991 | Brandon McDonald | D | 1 | 1 | 90 | |
Robbie Findley | F | 17 | 13 | 938 | Cole Grossman | M | 1 | 1 | 77 | |
Sebastian Velasquez | M | 16 | 8 | 775 | John Stertzer | M | 2 | 0 | 33 | |
Abdoulie Mansally | D | 12 | 7 | 669 | Rich Balchan | D | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
Yordany Alvarez | M | 13 | 7 | 668 | Total | 5868 | ||||
Kwame Watson-Siriboe | D | 7 | 7 | 630 | ||||||
David Viana | M | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Eduardo Fernandez | GK | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Enzo Martinez | M | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Total | 18809 | |||||||||
2013 Carryover Minutes | 76% |
Player | POS | GP | GS | MINS | Player | POS | GP | GS | MINS | |
Austin Berry | D | 23 | 23 | 2070 | Jeff Larentowicz | M | 22 | 21 | 1907 | |
Jalil Anibaba | D | 23 | 23 | 2070 | Joel Lindpere | M | 20 | 16 | 1345 | |
Gonzalo Segares | D | 21 | 21 | 1890 | Bakary Soumare | D | 13 | 13 | 1170 | |
Chris Rolfe | F-M | 22 | 21 | 1650 | Dilly Duka | M | 20 | 15 | 1131 | |
Sean Johnson | GK | 17 | 17 | 1530 | Mike Magee | M | 11 | 11 | 964 | |
Patrick Nyarko | M | 19 | 17 | 1529 | Maicon Santos | F | 15 | 1 | 379 | |
Alex | M | 19 | 11 | 958 | Quincy Amarikwa | F | 10 | 0 | 207 | |
Daniel Paladini | M | 17 | 7 | 785 | Juan Luis Anangono | F | 2 | 2 | 140 | |
Logan Pause | M | 11 | 9 | 759 | Arevalo Rios | M | 1 | 1 | 90 | |
Sherjill MacDonald | F | 13 | 7 | 579 | Shaun Francis | D | 1 | 1 | 90 | |
Paolo Tornaghi | GK | 6 | 6 | 540 | Yazid Atouba Emane | M | 3 | 0 | 55 | |
Wells Thompson | D | 7 | 6 | 520 | Alec Kann | GK | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
Steven Kinney | D | 2 | 2 | 180 | Brendan King | M | 0 | 0 | 0 | |
Hunter Jumper | D | 1 | 1 | 90 | Total | 7478 | ||||
Michael Videira | M | 2 | 1 | 84 | ||||||
Corben Bone | M | 1 | 0 | 3 | ||||||
Alvaro Fernandez | M | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Arne Friedrich | D | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Federico Puppo | F | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Kellen Gulley | F | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Orr Barouch | F | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Victor Pineda | M | 0 | 0 | 0 | ||||||
Total | 15237 | |||||||||
2013 Carryover Minutes | 67% |
Long-time followers of Carryover Minutes might recognize a change in the formatting of these numbers. The original format can be seen in the first post from 2011. These different formulas will sometimes result in a difference of a percentage point or two, usually giving the team a higher carryover minutes number. Going forward, I will use the formula above even when the expansion draft returns and makes the 'protected %' + 'exempt %' + 'unprotected %' formula relevant again.
76% is a great number of carryover minutes to have. 67% is an okay number of carryover minutes to have. As you can see in the chart below, every team that has won the Supporters' Shield or the MLS Cup since 2007 has had a MLS Carryover Minutes mark of 77% or higher with the exception of Supporters' Shield Winners D.C. United in 2007 and MLS Cup Winners Colorado Rapids in 2010. Even those two squads had decent rates of 72% and 67% respectively.
Team | 2007 | 2008 | 2009 | 2010 | 2011 | 2012 |
Chicago Fire | 83 | 82 | 92 | 71 | 43 | 70 |
Chivas USA | 68 | 65 | 62 | 63 | 49 | 47 |
Colorado Rapids | 61 | 77 | 70 | 67* | 82 | 60 |
Columbus Crew | 61 | 77^* | 83^ | 95 | 59 | 59 |
D.C. United | 72^ | 51 | 56 | 45 | 44 | 66 |
FC Dallas | 80 | 74 | 52 | 78 | 80 | 71 |
Houston Dynamo | 79* | 81 | 85 | 87 | 72 | 84 |
LA Galaxy | 50 | 63 | 42 | 81^ | 80^* | 78* |
New England Revolution | 74 | 77 | 70 | 58 | 60 | 60 |
New York Red Bulls | 47 | 76 | 65 | 52 | 64 | 47 |
Philadelphia Union | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | 61 | 71 |
Portland Timbers | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | 61 |
Real Salt Lake | 44 | 57 | 94* | 91 | 96 | 89 |
San Jose Earthquakes | N/A | N/A | 51 | 66 | 82 | 81^ |
Seattle Sounders | N/A | N/A | N/A | 85 | 78 | 66 |
Sporting KC | 72 | 65 | 81 | 60 | 63 | 87 |
Toronto FC | N/A | 52 | 51 | 51 | 35 | 64 |
Vancouver Whitecaps | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A | 53 |
bold = top 5 finish - * = MLS Cup - ^ = Supporters' Shield - Montreal has no data in this period and were thus excluded
In last year's main post, I threw out a couple of theories as to what might be going on here. I'll repeat some of them here for newcomers. If you aren't new to Carryover Minutes, please feel free to skip ahead to Elite Talent.
Does this mean that Major League Soccer's end game should be keeping the same players on your squad year after year? Not exactly. In what I refer to as the 'Beer League' effect, you can't take just any 30 individuals from your local park district and expect to climb up the MLS table. Proper talent evaluation must be made. Teams have to work around MLS' salary cap. Front offices have to pick up the phone when foreign teams call for their best players and when those players want to leave for grander stages.
My main take away from these numbers is that your typical MLS player needs time to gel with their teammates and learn the league. It may sound dullingly commonsense but this is not how your typical player analysis takes place. Players are expected to have immediate impacts.
Analysts often give more weight to individual talent than they do team cohesion. The fact of the matter is there's nothing like trial and error. Two teammates that have found they can't beat Opposing Player A with Move/Pass A won't waste possession trying to accomplish Move/Pass A. The same two teammates will try something else and have a better chance at succeeding. Over time, the two teammates discover what works for them in any kind of situation... as long as a coach lets a promising pairing blossom. At higher levels of soccer you have smarter, faster players with fewer flaws. Transitions are easier to make. In MLS, it takes more time to work around flaws and find winning combinations.
Elite Talent
Last year I opined that super elite talent explained the overachieving success of the 2009 Seattle Sounders, 2009 LA Galaxy, and the 2010 New York Red Bulls. The Red Bulls continued to have a lower carryover minutes number in 2012 (47%) but continued to finish in the top 5 in the league. I'll say again that having Thierry Henry and a player like Tim Cahill are keeping New York outliers in finishing top 5 but their lack of carryover minutes might be keeping them from greater glory.
Now you could think that since every team finally has a designated player, this year will mark the beginning of the end for the relevancy of carryover minutes. I can see future MLS campaigns being a battle royale between the top players in the league but I think there will also be some truth in the words of Syndrome: 'when everyone's super, no one will be'. You can have a player or two provide you with a boost, but to win the MLS Cup and especially the long grind of the Supporters' Shield, you need the stability of a strong team. If everyone gets a Thierry Henry, the fundamentals return to being the core of any fight. When everyone has a designated player, the players aren't that designated anymore.
2013 Carryover Minutes as of August 20, 2013
Team | % | PPG |
Montreal Impact | 87 | 1.65 |
Portland Timbers | 53 | 1.65 |
Real Salt Lake | 76 | 1.64 |
Houston Dynamo | 89 | 1.57 |
New York Red Bulls | 57 | 1.56 |
Sporting KC | 80 | 1.56 |
Seattle Sounders | 70 | 1.55 |
LA Galaxy | 81 | 1.54 |
Philadelphia Union | 75 | 1.52 |
Colorado Rapids | 55 | 1.50 |
Vancouver Whitecaps | 68 | 1.50 |
FC Dallas | 71 | 1.38 |
New England Revolution | 70 | 1.38 |
Chicago Fire | 67 | 1.35 |
San Jose Earthquakes | 80 | 1.32 |
Columbus Crew | 66 | 1.21 |
Toronto FC | 39 | 0.83 |
Chivas USA | 46 | 0.78 |
D.C. United | 75 | 0.54 |
The 2013 season is in its final third and I think the Carryover Minutes theory is holding strong. My friend PeterC over at OverLappingRun.com has been keeping an eye on Carryover Minutes all year long and so far he has been in disagreement. It's true that Portland looks to crash the theory. New York is keeping up their perennial challenge.
However, seven of the top 9 teams have at least 70% of their minutes coming from players that were on the team the year before. After Philadelphia at No. 9, the only teams sniffing 80% right now are San Jose and D.C. United. I don't blame D.C. and San Jose for playing many of the same players that brought them very good seasons in 2012. Their lack of success goes to show you that a high Carryover Minutes number doesn't guarantee success but success is almost guaranteed to show a high number of Carryover Minutes.
A Goal for Success or an Indicator of Success?
Some people point out that carryover minutes don't do anything more than tell an obvious story. Good teams simply keep their best players. High carryover minutes tell the story of a team that hasn't had to deal with injury issues or international absences. A MLS team shouldn't inherently seek to have high carryover minutes.
I think there's some truth to carryover minutes being a little bit correlation and a little bit causation but there's shrewd player management going on here too. Look at Real Salt Lake being forced to trade away Will Johnson, Fabian Espindola, and Jamison Olave this past off-season and still maintaining a 76% Carryover Minutes mark in 2013. Players like Yordany Alvarez, Abdoulie Mansally, Sebastian Velasquez, Ned Grabavoy, Luis Gil, and Chris Schuler have been with RSL since at least 2012 if not much longer and each player is on pace to break their previous record of minutes played with the team.
Some credit must be attributed to RSL's management for working previous players into place instead of going out and trying to sign individual copies of Johnson, Espindola, and Olave. So far it looks like they have had success creating partnerships with their existing players that are good enough as the partnerships they previously had with what every analyst would tell you was superior talent.
End of 2013 Season
Last year on September 29, 2012, I wrote the following:
As the 2012 MLS Regular Season comes to a close, history suggests Real Salt Lake, Sporting KC, Houston Dynamo, San Jose Earthquakes or LA Galaxy will win the MLS Cup. The 2010 Colorado Rapids give some hope to the teams on the outside like Chicago, D.C., Seattle, Columbus, New York, and Dallas but it seems to be a puncher's chance. There does seem to be a major advantage for 'teams' that are in fact teams. Low carryover minutes clubs should be proud of what they do this year but it probably isn't your year this time around.
There were about 4 games remaining for teams at point. At this point in the 2013 season, teams have about 10 games remaining. Things are more wide open.
The favorites for the MLS Cup and/or the Supporters' Shield right now are Montreal, Salt Lake, Houston, Kansas City, and LA. Seattle, Philadelphia, Chicago, Dallas, Vancouver, New England and San Jose are hanging out around the edges. Portland and New York look to defy the odds at the top. History suggests Colorado, Columbus, Toronto, and D.C. would be better off focusing on next year.
A follow-up specific to the Chicago Fire will follow this article.